Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Why Science Will Always Beat Religion (an extended metaphor)

I thought of this while listening to The Atheist Experience at work today.

Many religious people love to promote the idea that religion and science are just two different ways of gaining knowledge about the world. They say that since science can't give us all the answers we want right away, the only way we can find answers to the unanswered questions is to seek some sort of spiritual enlightenment.

Honestly, I think this is just silly. Imagine that there are two subsistence farmers - let's call them Rick and Steve - plowing the same field, who agree to split the field between the two of them (so each can farm as he wishes) but they will then share whatever they grow. The field is rocky and has poor soil, so at first, growing anything in it is difficult.

The first growing season, Rick and Steve both plant exactly the same way. They sow seeds into the rocks and just hope that nature will take its course and give them a bounty. The first year is rough; not a lot grows. But Rick doesn't lose faith; he figures that if he sticks to his guns, he'll get rewarded for his patience eventually. Meanwhile, Steve has decided to go through and dig up some of the rocks. Rick chides Steve for trying something different. He thinks Steve is doing a lot of hard work for nothing; after all, the ground will give up whatever it'll give up.

Not surprisingly, in the second season, Rick's crop is just about the same size. Steve's crop, grown in soil that had more room for strong roots, is a little bigger than Rick's. Steve gladly shares his crop with Rick per their agreement, and sits quietly while Rick talks about how Steve just got lucky and how Rick really knows all the best ways to get a good crop.

This goes on for a long time. Rick keeps using the same methods, year after year, and turns up the same crop each year. Steve, meanwhile, keeps refining his technique - he tills the soil, fertilizes his plants, and applies pesticides to keep the insects at bay. Compared to Rick's paltry offering, Steve's crop is huge!

Nevertheless, Rick mocks Steve for breaking from tradition. He says that everything Steve is doing is just going to doom his part of the field eventually, and that Rick's half will go on producing long after he is gone. Rick congratulates himself over how fantastically trustworthy and consistent his techniques are, and pokes fun at how since Steve is always changing things around all the time, he must not know what he's doing at all.

Throughout the years, Steve's half of the field constantly improves, and Rick constantly warns him that he's just destroying any chance he has of the field lasting. Meanwhile, Rick enjoys the bounty of Steve's crop, which is not only larger, but more hearty, nutritious, and delicious.

Without Rick, Steve would be just fine. Without Steve, Rick would be dead.

Rick - Religion - sticks to the same ideas over and over again, without learning. Steve - Science - gets a more and more robust understanding of how things work, improves its own conditions, and shares its benefits even with those who would mock its methods.

How, exactly, does rigid, unchanging dogma allow for an increase in knowledge? How does it give us the goods, in the same way science does? The answer is simple, of course: It doesn't. Science learns. Religion stunts learning.

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A great example of how science trumps religion. Religion purports to be equal, and in some cases superior, to science at attaining truth. But what it really does is fills in the gaps with guesses, made up stuff that benefits those who advance it. Just because science has not explained the cause of life or the creation of the universe doesn't mean that it never will, or that we should accept a substitute explanation for the time being. 1000 years ago, when it was thought that the sun revolves around the earth, religion pressured people not to investigate it. If religion had convinced 100% of the people to believe its fallacies, we would still believe them today. It has always been science, not religion, that has discovered real, demonstrable, tangible, truths about this world, and religion has only impeded that progress.
I wasn't as impressed. When you brand the religious guy a total idiot from the beginning, of course it looks as though you've made a cogent point. Sure, religion has failed badly throughout the course of history, but reality and history are nowhere near as one-sided as this "extended metaphor."
7 replies · active 817 weeks ago
Find me one example of when religious dogmas beat out science in terms of learning about reality.
I've got a better idea: why don't you go bury your rhetorical device in your backyard, click your heels three times, and see if it sprouts into a cogent argument. I'll check back.
I'm not even talking about a rhetorical device anymore. I'm talking about reality. Name one time that religious dogma gave us a more accurate picture of how reality works than scientific investigation did.
"Name one time that religious dogma gave us a more accurate picture of how reality works than scientific investigation did,"

..is an rhetorical device.
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"Go bury your rhetorical device" is a dodge indicating an unwillingness to actually engage in dialogue. Can you answer the question, regardless of what you think of it?
It's not a dodge, because questions about my personal life aside, I'm willing to dialog about whatever you wish, but I'm not willing to walk into some silly rhetorical trap so you can get a laugh. Name one time the A's beat the Giants by two touchdowns, if you can't figure it out.

What "dialog" would you like to engage in?
That's fine. I'll get off this subject; I guess I wasn't really into the discussion. Sorry for the curtness. You're right, it's entirely a rhetorical device set up to promote a biased view of things. I'd be lying if I said I was impartial.
did you ever think that just maybe science doesn't even matter considering you're going to die in the end? Science can't explain what happens to your conscience when you're dead, just that your body shuts down and everything rots away. I like to think that there's something more to people then just shells of nothing and if there is something after this then it'll at least be some kind of bliss after a life of arguments, wars, depression, and cruelty to others. Believe what you want to about what science points out but when you can tell me where my conscience is going when I'm dead let me know because no one ceases to exist. You can feel that. And if you can't have fun with a life that doesn't even mean anything to you, but I want my life to at least mean something.
2 replies · active 544 weeks ago
"We're all going to die, so nothing matters" is a pretty bleak outlook. I can't help you if you feel nihilistic in the face of real mortality; that's something you're going to have to work out for yourself.

Your consciousness isn't going anywhere. That's it. That's the end. It's going to the same place it was before you were born: nowhere. Wanting your life to mean something, and wanting an afterlife of eternal happiness, will not change this reality. If you want it to mean something, you're going to have to make it mean something while you're here.
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Proper Atheist · 544 weeks ago

Our conscience?
What happens to a dogs conscience when it dies?
Or an ants?
An amoeba?
A wasp perhaps?
We are an animal too!
You're an idiot.
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TheWallflower · 631 weeks ago

I love this! I'm an atheist and I get all these religious nutters going on about how god will punish us and all this shit. Then how come I haven't been struck with lightening or combusted into hell? xD I think religion is pointless, I know it's pointless and anyone who supports religion is probably thick in the head and lost. XD Thank you for this post! Science is yet again in the drivers seat! :3
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randyramirez · 575 weeks ago

well if you look at it this way Rick isnt helping himself, he just hopes for the crops to grow. In life you cant just sit around so if you help yourself, God will help you. But if you sit around like Rick, your just going to have a difficult life.

I really didnt know how to word it but i hope everyone understands what i mean
1 reply · active 575 weeks ago
You could look at it that way. But the idea that God only helps those who helps themselves has two problems:

1. That's absolutely nowhere to be found in the Bible.

2. That's absolutely identical to God not existing.
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Proper Atheist · 544 weeks ago

This is one of the most stupid things i've ever had the misfortune to read.
MikeTheInfidel is what i refer to as a 'Clever idiot' hes clever in every aspect of his life, except religion.
Hes saying that we should embrace science & god to get answers!
Which god?
Why not fairies..
Goblins too?
If you want the answers you need to embrace science & magic fairies!!
The guy's an idiot.
1 reply · active 544 weeks ago
That's exactly the opposite of what I said, actually... Are you sure you really read the post? I explicitly said religion won't help.

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